this is the aesthetic ecosystems podcast

I’m Ben Hale your virtual design guide

to help you and your family have a

healthy beautiful landscape with less

work what’s up and welcome to episode 15

of the aesthetic ecosystems podcast we

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let’s get into it today what are we

talking about today we are talking about

life with neighbors

doesn’t that sound beautiful so what I

mean today is is life can be very very

difficult with neighbors sometimes and

other times it can be quite harmonious

and even exciting so how do we ensure to

have a good relationship with our

neighbors if possible what can we do on

our side to to ensure a good

relationship especially when it comes to

our landscape life with neighbors can be

very difficult when it comes to your

landscape especially if you have

something different that you’re trying

to do or something unique that you’re

trying to do especially you know in this

case what we’re talking about here is

saving time with our landscape so we

have some different practices we’re

doing in order to save time on our

landscape but still have a beautiful

landscape and some time that can be

difficult for under other people to

understand so how do we work with our

neighbors and live as harmoniously as

possible is that something that’s even

possible in some circumstances

and what are things we can do at least

to try and minimize issues or concerns

as they come up so let’s get into it

today

I have today’s show broken up into a few

blocks or chunks here first I want to

cover hopefully most of the issues that

you might be substantially dealing with

this is something maybe you’re already

dealing with or you have dealt with in

the past and and also maybe what you

could expect in the future maybe you

have a new property or new neighbors or

things have gone smoothly but if you’re

making changes to your landscape that

could disrupt things so so what are the

things we could potentially expect and

this might sound like you know covering

the negatives and some what it is but

the reason we’re doing this is so we can

also understand how we can prevent these

issues from happening potentially so

after we understand some of the issues

and what we could expect there let’s get

in deeper into the why do neighbors get

concerned and then follow up with ways

we can interact with concerned neighbors

to hopefully build a better relationship

with our neighbors in the long run and

throughout what I can do is share a few

examples that I’ve experienced and and

also just anecdotally what my my parents

also experienced growing up I had

several siblings and we didn’t make it

easy for our neighbors let me put it

that way funny funny aside here actually

without getting too off-topic is is my

parents yard is only there their whole

plot of property is only about a little

over a quarter acre so it’s not too big

but across that quarter acre it’s

entirely surrounded by fence

and my parents didn’t even build a plank

of it so and most of it was built after

we moved in so my parents had their fair

share of neighborly issues with us crazy

kids growing up and and we certainly

didn’t make it easy for our neighbors of

course but but at the same time my

parents also taught me some great things

on just learning how to deal with other

folks in how to hopefully behave in a

manner teach to first of all to teach us

children how to behave properly with

neighbors

and help alleviate some of the issues

that we may have caused but also just

how to interact respectively

respectfully and and hopefully build

good relationships so okay let’s start

then with understanding some of the

issues so as I’ve pointed out living

close to other people to your neighbors

can often lead to difficult situations

so a lot of properties you know they

don’t have a significant amount of space

between houses you know there’s some

where you can literally spit on your

neighbor’s house from your own window

and others where at least you know you

have clear line-of-sight and often

there’s a lot of noise carry over as

well as visual carry over between

properties and that can lead to a lot of

issues just by the nature of our

proximity that we live to each other and

and so it can lead to difficult

situations a lot of times you you’ll

deal with complaints concerns just

dealing with change in general between

you know people changing their

properties or changing their habits on

their properties and also just the

unknown as well what will happen in the

future with your neighbor or it’s also

how your neighbors may feel about you

what will happen when they move or when

will they move or what will they do with

their backyard so those sorts of things

often lead to confusion or conflict or

stress and hopefully though they lead to

open discussion and understanding and

that’s what we’ll work on here so how do

you really work with your neighbors and

live harmoniously as possible you know

sometimes you’re dealing with

maintenance violations from your

neighbors you might be dealing with

complaints from your neighbors or

whether this is to the local city or

Township or it could be your HOA or it

could just be to your other neighbors

you know building tension by complaining

to other neighbors around you creating

gossip and this can all be difficult to

deal with also you know sometimes just

the people we live next to sometimes

they have a view that if you’re doing

something that’s different than the norm

that it equals something bad and

certainly what we’re talking about here

on this show with with saving time

increasing beauty and health in your

landscape all at the same time it does

have a lot of different strategies than

the normal typical postage stamp

landscape lot process and because of

that it can lead to a lot of tension or

unknown and and cause gossip or rumors

if you don’t deal with it properly so we

really have to work on trying to help

our neighbors understand that even

though we’re doing something different

it’s not necessarily bad it might

actually be for the good of the

neighborhood the overall benefit and

also there’s another issue here that we

might potentially be dealing with and

that is some folks feel like they do

have a say in what you do with your

property and unfortunately this can be

the case sometimes if you’re dealing

with a homeowners association an HOA

these are neighborhood boards where

where people do write codes that dictate

what your community can do and these can

often be written after you’ve already

done something and you can then be

required to comply with that so it can

be a difficult situation certainly but

all in all the reality is you know

people don’t always have a say in what

you do even though they think they might

and this can lead to some tension and of

course this is like I said this is to a

certain extent yeah you know if you’re

doing something that does affect your

prop your neighbors property or your

neighborhood then potentially they do

have a say so it’s important to be

conscientious of other people but also

at the same time realize this is your

property and and not their property so

again to touch on the overall goal of

the aesthetic ecosystems brand and and

why you’re here is is we’re looking to

have beauty and health for your family

with less work right and so by changing

your landscape processes to to have more

beauty but also less work and to spend

less time doing

habitual and routine work in your

landscape it requires a transition phase

it will look different than your

neighbors landscape most likely and it

will get messy before it gets better so

you’ll need to do a certain amount of

work to transition your landscape and

yes there are things we can do just with

our landscape now as we’ve talked in

previous episodes too to help transition

without having to overhaul your

landscape right but in the process

overall over time you will transition to

better plants better designs better

gardens that will be healthier and in

the long run will take less work and so

these transitions can be messy sometimes

and and that’s where again you can you

can get to tension so let’s move in then

to understanding why neighbors get

concerned we talked about some of the

issues but that doesn’t really dig down

into the why right so it might be the

symptom but it might not be the real

issue or what causes the symptom right

what’s the trigger for for people why do

they get upset or why do they get

concerned and and why do they feel like

they have to do something about it or

cause a problem about it right instead

why can’t you know a lot of times we’re

thinking well why can’t they just you

know let us do what we want to do and

I’ve certainly had this feeling before

with with our neighbors so it’s it’s

just a reality right everybody has

different expectations or thoughts or

views and when everybody is living in

close proximity it can lead to issues

especially when people think they have

an influence over what you do on your

landscape so so why art what are some of

these triggers that maybe are touched

upon that caused this concern so the

first and in the most common is property

value a lot of people feel that if you

do something that changes your landscape

then it will affect their property value

and the biggest or the most common

example I hear is is well what if

somebody parks a camper in their

driveway or their work truck in their

driveway and there’s a lot of areas that

actually don’t allow you to do something

like this even though it’s your property

it’s you know your trailer or or your

work truck they’re they’re seen as

unsightly and that it could affect their

your neighbors property value and so

it’s actually written into code or to

law that you can’t do stuff like that

well maybe I understand a little bit of

this argument but but when you’re

talking about your landscape if you’re

doing work to actually maintain your

landscape and to make it look

presentable I have a hard time

understanding some of this but the

reality is that this is the concern in

if people feel that you doing something

on your landscape could affect their

home value and of course people get

upset if that’s the way they feel right

and so we’ll get into solutions later

about this but but that’s the the most

common one is people feel that it’s

going to affect their property value and

so they have a need to do something

about it or to get upset about it so

some of the less common ones I’ll just

kind of go through these real quickly is

sometimes if you doing something that

affects the the sun exposure on your

neighbors landscape or the shade on your

neighbor’s landscape or the view on your

neighbors landscape so if you’re cutting

down a tree that increases the the view

to their backyard let’s say and they

have a pool right they want privacy well

of course they might get a little bit

upset about that so how do you deal with

that situation right

it’s your tree or property but then your

neighbor gets upset because it affects

the view so so under at least

understanding why why they might feel

affected can help

so affecting the shade the Sun the view

something that affects the water runoff

and this can be something that you do

have to take your neighbors input on

because it can affect sometimes it can

affect municipal regulations or state

regulations that if you change the

runoff on how it affects your neighbor’s

property it can significantly damage

their property potentially so making

sure we’re we’re understanding that that

side of the issue there sometimes pets

can cause concern for your neighbors

also weeds are a big one right

we’ve had this where we’ve had neighbors

approach us and say just because we

don’t treat our landscape

we’re causing weed problems for them

because the prevailing wind blows their

directions so our weed seeds that we

have might be affecting their property

and that was a cause of concern and

while potentially I understand that

discussion weed seeds are so prevalent

in the landscape that it’s it’s unlikely

that just one specific area might affect

it but but also we were we were actively

doing measures to reduce chemical use on

our landscape and and an eliminate

chemical lens used on our landscape at

the same time dealing with the weeds in

a more holistic manner and of course now

we have much fewer weeds than than

previously and but it’s it’s it leads to

difficult situations potentially and the

last thing I want to point out too is

sometimes neighbor just just get

concerned that you’re different you’re

doing something different or you’re

you’re managing things in a different

way and because of that it can be

perceived as negligence or lack of

caring or that you’re trying to you know

instigate something and that might not

all of that might not be true hopefully

it’s not instead that you’re just

maintaining things differently and

there’s a lack of understanding but but

there is sometimes concerns just that

you’re different so now that we’ve gone

over a few of the the underlying

triggers that can cause some of these

outbursts or issues or stress points

with your neighbors let’s assume now

that you you do have an existing concern

with one of your neighbors or multiple

of your neighbors how do we interact

with our concerned neighbors how do we

try and make the best of the situation

right they’re already upset or they’re

already stressed or they’re already

concerned so what can we do well the

first thing I want to point out here is

for one I have experience with this

we’ve had as we’ve moved into our

current house we came into a pretty

messy house it was it was a disaster

inside and outside

and and we chose to focus on the

interior of the house to make it

liveable that was our goal early on and

and unfortunately because of this we

kind of left the landscape in a status

quo phase for quite a few years as we

tried to one repair our house and make

it livable and – and start raising it we

were raising a family at the time and we

still are right and so that that’s our

priority is our family and so because of

that our landscape does take a backseat

even though I have huge passion and and

desire to to change our landscape for

for one that takes a lot of time to

transition and to work on and – it takes

money and three it takes away from your

family and so we focus on spending time

with our family first and then fill in

the remaining pockets of time with

things we can do to improve our property

and so because of that we have had

neighbors that have approached us and

expressed concerns and and in each

situation we’ve certainly tried I

haven’t always succeeded but what we’ve

tried in and being very cordial and in

upfront and and kind of have an open

dialogue about the situations that are

being discussed and so that’s my first

suggestion is to to try and have clear

and open communication and clear an open

discussion with your neighbors so to

actually have a dialogue to try and

understand what their concern is so they

might be saying you know let’s pretend

you have a dog that’s bothering them

well your dog is just digging holes and

it’s bothering me it could be the

complaint right well what is the the

real issue is it the dog or is the holes

in your yard

it’s not even your neighbor’s yard well

it might turn out that your neighbor

just doesn’t like looking at the dog or

it thinks that your neighbor thinks that

your dog might decrease his property

value because because the the unsightly

holes when your neighbor goes to sell

the house and you know ten years from

now might cause the problem well trying

to dig really trying to understand

and with with honest and curious

discussion as opposed to judgmental or

angry discussion and trying to just have

an open dialogue can sometimes really

help kind of dissolve the issue and I’m

not saying here that I’m a saint or that

I’ve always been successful in in all of

my my neighborly discussions but it’s

something to certainly strive for and it

certainly helps sometimes alleviate a

significant amount of tension that may

be building up with your neighbors so

one example here is I had a neighbor

complaining that I hadn’t cut my grass

soon enough and and the way this

neighbor chose to approach this

situation was to to yell at me while I

was walking with my children down the

street and so instead of cutting my

grass I was taking my children for a

walk on that day and I had planned on on

cutting the grass later that evening but

you know I didn’t want to do it in the

middle of day when I was out with my

children I usually wait until after

they’re in bed to do as much work as

possible and so because of that outburst

of course it made me upset and I waited

until I think I’ve waited a few days

before I cut the grass and that’s not

the best that’s not the best action to

pursue but what I also did is once I

allowed myself to calm down his eye I

went over and I

I brought a I brought two beers with me

in a lawn chair and I walked over to my

neighbor when I knew this neighbor was

outside and and we sat down and we we

had a beer together and and just shared

an open honest discussion and and talked

you know as neighbors should be able to

talk right and and then we also we

approached the the issue that you know

and I shared that you know for me my

family is very important and and

unfortunately for you know sometimes

that that takes a priority over things

like making sure my lawn looks looks

pretty and all the grass plates look

even and and you know we we both I think

we both came away with a better

look on each other after that discussion

so that’s kind of what I’m talking about

here is trying to dissolve the situation

it can be very difficult to to kind of

approach the situation because the

natural response is to want to push back

right we want to push back we want to

share our anger with the situation as

well and it can be very difficult to

kind of try and calm ourselves down and

and placate ourselves before we can have

an open discussion and also to try and

not be condescending in the discussion

to – to sound too preachy or whatever

instead just to actually try and have an

honest open discussion as equals with

your neighbour so that’s something to

strive for certainly and I certainly

recommend it it’s not always the the

most successful path and it’s not always

possible but it’s something to maybe try

and strive for the one thing I want to

point out here too is it’s in most

situations it’s not necessary to ask

your neighbour for input kind of talking

is I’ll get into this and a few in the

future piece of the episode here but but

talking to your neighbor and letting

them know something is very different

than asking their opinion or input

because that can lead to a difficult

situation as well it both in the current

situation and in future situations by

letting your neighbor feel that they

have a say in what you do can lead to a

very difficult situation but I want to

point out too that it may be helpful

especially if it’s a situation where

you’re affecting your neighbor so take

for example if you have a border that a

property line that you share with your

neighbor and you’re considering doing

something along that property line it

may actually be good to at least alert

your neighbor to kind of discuss with

them and potentially ask for input and

you know giving a few options that

you’re okay with that they might be able

to help provide the input or direction

on that might alleviate a lot of tension

in the future if you’re willing to do

that so for example if you’re

considering putting in a fence talking

about what types of fencing you

like and also you know then providing

say you have two or three options that

your family decides would be the best

and you maybe have a favorite but you

also have you know another one or two

options that are okay and maybe going

and poaching your neighbor saying hey

look here we’re planning on putting in a

fence here’s what a few designs that we

were considering here’s when we’re

planning on doing it since it’s sharing

a property line with you do you have any

input on potentially what would look

most appealing or what would be the

least encroaching or what might not

bother you as so much and again this

isn’t necessary but it might prevent a

lot of issues in the future so something

to consider there same with planting a

tree maybe you have a tree that you

really want to put in or you have two or

three different types of trees that you

want to put in and help right along the

property line but one you know drops if

you have an oak tree that you’re

planning and putting it drops acorns

every two to three years versus a

flowering cherry but that it might drop

a bunch of cherry fruits and later in

the year and which one your neighbor

might prefer and based on their size and

what they drop in their color and their

appearance and everything it might be a

helpful thing to do to make them feel

better about some of your work and and

if it’s something again that you’re

you’re willing to kind of compromise on

but in a way that allows them to give

some input but doesn’t let them have too

much say where they’re going to kind of

overstep their bounds okay so the last

piece I want to say here too with

dealing with concerned neighbors is is

trying to notify them before your work

begins so if you have some project

you’re working on to just give them a

heads-up like hey you know we’re going

to be this weekend we’re gonna be doing

a project we do have to rent some

equipment so I know it might be a little

tough but we’re gonna have to start

early in the morning just to beat the

weather or just to get done by the

sunset so I wanted to at least give you

a heads up you know we apologize if

there’s any any disruption to your day

but we’re gonna try and get done as

quickly as possible something like that

you know that just gives them a heads up

so they’re not you know rolling out

of bed in their pajamas here in some

loud noises at 8 a.m. and wondering what

the heck’s going on you know they can at

least understand what’s going on

so the notification and some settings

some expectations can be very helpful in

interacting with your concerned

neighbors so that’s a perfect segue into

other things we can do to actually

prevent concerns so what are things that

we can prevent concerns in the future

with our neighbors and as we plan to

work on projects in our landscape and to

change the way we treat our landscape in

a better healthier way that adds Beauty

and so the first thing is to just let

them know that that’s your goal so if

they understand your long-term goals

they might be willing to understand the

process that you’re taking to get there

more so they they see your vision they

might not feel it happening as quickly

as they’d like but but they at least

understand this is your vision and this

is what your goals are and so they might

be more understanding with allowing you

space to get there without getting upset

about it the next is to create an

inviting space and here I’m not

necessarily talking about physically but

just making sure you’re creating you’re

doing as much on your end to create a

relationship where your neighbors feel

comfortable in having open discussion

with you because usually a lot of issues

if they’re if somebody feels comfortable

to talk about an issue it’s it’s going

to be much less of a concern usually

then if they just feel like they can’t

approach you and they have to deal with

it themselves or they have to just

ignore it

as much as possible because then it just

leads to conflict and stress and and

future concerns so creating an inviting

space for your neighbors to be able to

approach you to have open discussions

about your landscape and about other

things too and so just trying to have as

good a relationship as possible the next

piece is welcoming your neighbors into

your landscape into yard into your home

as as much as you feel comfortable of

course but

the more welcome your neighbors feel

again the more they can approach you the

more you feel like you can approach them

to talk about things you’re doing as

well and so again this guy kind of goes

back just relationship building and this

doesn’t mean you have to be best friends

or anything like that but but to just

make sure that you’re trying to at least

develop a little bit of community with

the people you share a property line

with and and not only for for their sake

but this is really for your sake as well

and for your family’s sake so so at

least that you can have a more pleasant

place to live in and same with your

neighbors the next piece this is this

might sound kind of silly but but this

really can can make a lot of sense is

tell a story

so kind of pitch yourself as the on the

hero’s journey right so maybe you’re not

Frodo Baggins or whatever but but let me

spin this to you know kind of give you

an example for us personally so we have

a high priority on our family right so

our family is very important to us so

our relationship as a family is very

important and making sure our children

develop well and have a good space to to

grow in and experience life as well and

because of that other things take a

backseat priority and that includes our

landscape as well also you know we’re

busy people we have not only our family

priorities but we also have work we have

we have lots of other priorities in life

as well we have goals we have dreams and

and we also have our yard to take care

of right and so you can see how things

fill up very quickly and and with our

goals especially in our landscape if if

we share those and we say okay here’s

our struggle right we we bought this

piece of property it was in horrible

horrible shape take a look at what we’ve

been doing inside the house look at how

much work this all took you know here’s

the changes we’ve been able to make but

of course there’s just the two of us we

have three kids as well so we’re really

busy and

and look what we’ve been able to do

inside and this has been our top focus

so here’s our goals with our landscape

as well look at what we’re we’re

planning to do outside and you and

here’s here’s a few examples of what

we’d like to do hey you know also one of

our top goals is just having health for

our family so we don’t use a lot of we

don’t use chemicals on our landscape

because we know that they can

potentially affect the health of our

kids so here’s some of the things we’re

doing instead to combat things like

weeds and and Mahon pests and certain

issues but you know these worked as well

they’re just working in a different way

and sometimes it takes a little bit more

time to deal with it but remember what

our landscape used to look like and take

a look at what it looks like now you

know it’s improving it’s not a magical

transformation but it is improving and

here’s some of the things we’re doing

you know so this is a great example of

of telling a story that because we’re

we’re going through the struggle and the

trial of making our home a better place

making our yard a better place it leads

to more understanding and connection

because our neighbors might then connect

you know oh yeah you know I remember as

a kid having my parents and how they

took care of us and how it was a

priority or oh yeah I remember when you

know I had young kids and how difficult

it was and and so as you’re you know

kind of telling your own story it helps

build connections and understanding with

the people you’re talking to so they can

identify with you and they can really

you know this isn’t necessarily a sob

story this is a right this is your

heroic journey this is what you’re doing

this is your these are your life plans

this is your life you’re talking about

right and here’s your here’s the

struggle here’s the journey and here’s

how you’re gonna arrive through the

other side as you know a triumphant

champion right with your Excalibur of a

landscape so you know of course I made

that a little bit cheesy but the reality

here is that the more emotional

connections you can make with the other

person the more understanding and

empathy you can build with your

neighbors the more likely they’ll

they’ll actually want to pitch in to

help and

to just accept you as you know your

unique self that you’re building your

landscape through your family and that

sort of thing so so it’s just something

to think about there so the next piece

in trying to learn how to interact with

concerned neighbors is to just simply

trying to enjoy connections beyond your

landscape so maybe your landscape is a

stress point but but what about

everything else right so what about just

how you guys live your lifestyle is

there things you can do together or so

one great example is our neighbors each

year they they organize and host this

this block party on our short cul-de-sac

Street and everybody’s invited everybody

you know has a great little potluck type

a meal that they bring in it’s kind of

an all-day event where it’s just a lot

of little fun activities all the little

kids come together and you know all the

older folks kind of enjoy having the

little kids around and all the little

kids have a bunch of activities that are

planned for them so it’s just a fun

experience to bring everybody together

and so things like that I’m not saying

you have to host a block party unless

you want to but but all of this stuff

coming together really leads to making a

more enjoyable relationship with your

neighbors and that can go a really long

way to building resilience in your

relationships and to be better able to

weather any sort of concerns and

conflicts so those are great examples of

how to prevent concern now the last

piece I want to say with all of this you

know that I just said is sometimes

unfortunately things just don’t work out

and that’s just the reality of living

next to people that you don’t get to

pick who you live next to unless you

really know them before you move in or

you you control who moves in after you

right or after you move in and that’s

just the reality of living in a

neighborhood and so what I want to

stress here is is as much as possible

just try to remain cordial and I have to

say you know this is not an easy thing

sometimes and the the best thing you can

do is just

to be understanding as much as possible

and to just live the you know live your

way as much as you can with without you

know causing stress in your relationship

and while that sometimes it seems very

rewarding it’s not always the best

action to you know act in reciprocity

and and just you know treating other

people with respect even when they net

might not assist nuttin might not

necessarily do the same to you and and

with that you know I want to say to just

try and enjoy your landscape as much as

possible enjoy your life as much as

possible and and try not to let you know

some petty things with your neighbors

bring you down even you know I’ve had

some very stressful situations where my

neighbors have chosen to let you know

some of their chemicals Brown our yard

which which to me hurts very deeply

because I see that as hurting the health

of my family and and so there’s very

stressful situations where I want to

react somewhat aggressively even and and

you know I have to sit myself down and

reflect and and realize that’s not

always the best action and so I want to

just kind of say that too is is just try

and focus on the things that you can

enjoy with your landscape enjoy with

your family and how to buffer against

situations that can cause stress with

your neighbors and also even with

stressed neighbors to buffer situations

that reduce the stress load from your

stress neighbors and you know let the

negative pieces go by as much as you can

this can be really difficult I

understand

wholeheartedly but but just you know try

and focus on that the positive parts of

your landscape and your family life and

and realize you know this is your

property and and maybe if you have to

you know ignore the the few feet of your

boundary just to make things a little

better it might be worth it just for

your own sake right and so with that you

know I wanted I wanted to say if you

guys have any questions about this you

know I can try and help

just through some of these situations if

you have some specific situations you’d

like to have a little input on I

definitely want to hear your your

thoughts or your questions and also if

you have concerns but more importantly

success stories that you’ve had with

your neighbors this might be great

things to share with with other

listeners as well some of your success

stories of how you’ve had a tough

situation maybe how you came through it

or how you worked through it with your

neighbor things like that so if you guys

have anything to share

that’s either a difficult or a success

story or concern you have going over to

aesthetic ecosystems to calm slash

episode 15 I have a link in the show

notes to the the webpage and go in the

comments section there and leave a

comment and and let’s have a great

discussion about this this is you know

very it can be a really stressful topic

and so I want to make sure we have as

much ability to work through this as

possible and if we can provide a good

resource for other people that might

listen to this episode it might be

experiencing issues now or in the future

let’s have this as good of a resource we

can on the episode web page for people

to find help and to understand maybe

other situations that worked out great

so so head on over to aesthetic

ecosystems comm slash episode 15 again

there’s a link in the show notes and and

the other thing too I want to put in the

show notes is is if you have a question

like I said at the beginning of the show

if you have a question go over and go on

over to our podcast homepage at

aesthetic ecosystems comm slash pod P OD

and there you’ll find a button right at

the top of the page to to ask a question

and get featured on the show in the

future or if you just have a question

you know you need a little help on your

landscape shoot me a note so with that

guys thanks for coming by and make sure

you live with passion and make tomorrow

better than today

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