this is the aesthetic ecosystems podcast

I’m Ben Hale your virtual design guide

to help you and your family have a

healthy beautiful landscape with less

work what’s up and welcome to episode 8

of the aesthetic ecosystems podcast

that’s right guys we’re creeping up on

double digits here with the podcast I’m

so glad you’re here today to tune in for

another show if you haven’t listened the

previous shows of course I highly

recommend you go check them out I mean

what’s not to miss right so today we’re

gonna be talking about disease and pest

problems and more importantly what they

mean what’s the underlying cause for

these issues and and that’s really the

key that we’re gonna be talking about

today we’re gonna be going deep getting

our an Inspector Gadget hat on today and

really trying to understand what are the

causes are the root causes of your

issues that you’re having with your

plants in your landscape and this is

everything from your trees to the grass

beneath your feet to the plants in your

garden bed and even as as much to say as

about your your vegetable garden if you

have a vegetable garden this the same

process applies there too so definitely

stick around today it’s gonna be a great

show and before that I just want to

thank you for listening thank you for

tuning in I’m really having a great time

recording these first eight episodes

here and I hope you really feel like

they’re jam-packed full of information

that’s helpful for you in changing your

life through your landscape and and I

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feel about it so far so let’s get into

it today disease and pest problems and

what they mean that’s the most important

pieces what they really mean there’s

tons of ways to fix disease problems

already out there I’m sure you’re aware

of if you have if you have grubs there’s

a way to fix that right and there’s a

thing you can go get grub removers for

your landscape if you’re having a fits

you had you can go get a spray for that

and there’s all sorts of custom tailored

tools that there’s a ton of research

that goes into these things and and to

how to eradicate them from your

landscape there’s also organic methods

if you’re a more into more the healthy

methods of removing things or the

organic doesn’t always mean healthy I

want to just make that clear but if you

if you’re trying to do something that

maybe is either healthier for you and

your family

generally speaking organic is is the way

to go and and there there are plenty of

ways to solve some of these problems

there too but the the key here is that

if you just work on the specific problem

at hand you might not be fixing the

underlying the true problem and and

that’s what we’re gonna get into today

so when you’re talking about different

types of plant disease or conditions

problems generally speaking they fall

into these categories they’re mold

problems bacteria problems so you’re you

microorganisms protozoa also fit into

that category sometimes you have like a

warm problem nematodes or something

similar they might be an insect or

crustacean problem so it might be

certain microcode situations there’s

very it’s crazy how what the vast array

of organisms when you start to get to

the microscopic level even just the

amount of diversity there is

mind-blowing so anyway I’m fascinated

with with microbiology I have actually

here’s a fun fact for you guys I have a

background I have a degree in

microbiology so it’s a perfect segue

into into this landscape area of healthy

landscapes because healthy soil is full

of life and unhealthy soil generally is

is not full of life and and that totally

builds into plant health so so healthy

plants usually need healthy soil and to

have healthy soil you need a healthy

array of microorganisms and that’s right

up my alley so anyway enough about me

getting back on track here so again we

have different causes of these diseases

so you have mold bacteria protozoa

insects you may even have disease plants

that are just because they’re not in

such a healthy condition they’re more

prone to pressure from browsing animals

and such as well that’s not always the

case you know sometimes browsing animals

just look for the the most nutritious

plants and landscape as well but in

general you’re talking about these

little guys these little organisms that

sometimes get out of whack in car

problems and the one thing I’m gonna

make abundantly clear here that’s not

generally talked about is you have more

good organisms than you have bad

organisms so this is all about balance

and when this gets out of balance is

when you start to have a disease issue

so if you can keep a good balance of the

healthy organisms in your landscape then

you’re you’re going to have less fewer

problems of this sort and we could talk

for hours and upon hours and still not

cover this full subject of how to have

healthy balance of organisms and the

truth is that this is a relatively new

era and there’s not a whole lot that’s

known about it how to support this

healthy ecosystem and keep it in balance

and how to monitor it well without just

waiting until disease issues arrive but

what at the point I want to make here is

that some of these quick solutions they

disturb the healthy balance or the

healthy beneficial organisms as well and

so while you might be treating the

specific problem you might be hurting

things long-term more so than you think

by killing other organisms that help

recreate a balance a kind of a similar

example to this is I gave the example a

while back of a fadap reavie acepted

problem and you spray you might also be

killing the predators of the aphids at

the same time so you’re going to have

the aphids bounce back there inevitably

there’s going to be a few that survive

or some eggs somewhere that hatch out or

there’s going to be a fits coming in

from off site from another location

maybe your neighbors landscape and

they’re going to continue to cause that

same problem and so you have to continue

to treat for it and unfortunately

treating for a lot of these organisms

they’re not very well targeted and

you’re going to have issues of your

predator insects that might prey on the

aphids such as lace wings and ladybugs

those are very very important insects to

have in your landscape because they keep

it and maintain a healthy balance and

they grow slower they reproduce more

slowly and so unfortunately you disrupt

the whole lifecycle of your predators

and your prey inside

the problem in sex will be the ones that

continue to come back the example I was

going to give from a medical standpoint

to is is antibiotics so we’ve used

antibiotics pretty perfuse ly over the

past say a hundred years and in that

time we’ve now started to discover that

by taking especially oral antibiotics

that go throughout your whole body and

your whole bloodstream that

they disrupt normal cycles and there’s

infections that occur only after

antibiotic treatment usually that can be

very severe just because you took care

of one problem and it causes another

okay now diseases in general the point I

want to make here is that they’re

indicators of deeper issues they’re

usually an indicator of plant stress and

the key for this episode is to figure

out what is the root cause of the plant

stress what’s the underlying issue of

the plant stress and if we figure that

out and make the plant comfortable and

happy most likely to the disease

condition will go away an example here

is say you have a mole problem that’s

pretty common my neighbor has a mole

problem right now and I was chatting

with him about it and most often what

people do is they try to trap the mole

kill the moles or use chemicals even to

kill the moles or drive them away from

their landscape and especially if you’re

using the chemicals these definitely

have a more widespread effect than just

killing moles specifically so it’s just

something to exercise caution with and

yes they can’t take care of the mole

problem but most likely the moles are

going to come back because you haven’t

taken care of the root cause a lot of

times moles come around because there’s

grubs in your landscape and so people

hate the grubs right they eat the the

roots of your grass or whatever and they

want to get rid of them when and

rightfully so they can cause a lot of

problems but usually the reason that you

have excess grubs in your landscape is

when you have weakened grass plants and

especially with excess root

death death so if your plants your grass

plants are stressed to the point where

the roots aren’t surviving in a healthy

manner and a lot of times this is due to

excess fertilizer you swear there’s a

burst of growth there the grass blades

are being cut real short the roots are

stressed because they can’t support the

growth and then the excess chopping of

the grass blades and so the the grass

play plant goes into a stress mode and

that’s when they attract things like the

excess grubs in your landscape so by

taking care of the the health of your

grass in a more holistic manner you make

the grass plants more robust they become

less appealing and less accessible to

the grubs which then the moles leave and

go somewhere else because there’s fewer

grubs it’s a more long-term solution but

it gives you the right solution in the

long run as well you have to spend less

money and less time treating your your

lawn to remove the grubs and the moles

so that’s an example of how we kind of

investigate and diagnose some of these

really underlying problems and and what

really is the cause as opposed to maybe

the surface thing of oh it’s just I have

moles in my landscape so when it comes

to plant issues 90% of the time I would

say don’t quote me on that

statistic because 98% of statistics are

not statistically relevant or some some

joke like that right I would say 90% of

the time if you fix your soil health

you’re going to fix the plant health

issue because trying to maintain a good

fertile healthy soil will inevitably

build your soil life which makes your

plant happier makes it stronger and a

lot of times takes care of the issue

even if it’s a nonspecific adjustment

you’re making to your soil and fertility

so just something to think about there

if you say say you have to turn off this

episode right now and you have to run

out in your landscape and fix the plant

problem and you can’t come back to the

episode anymore and can’t listen

anything else the key takeaway

give you is fix your soil health okay so

let’s put on our investigator hat and

try and get into some of these clues

that might lead us to where the problem

is coming from so first we’re gonna need

to do a little bit of research and this

research will help us understand more

about your plant that you’re having a

problem with more about your landscape

in specific the specific site your plant

is located and then just some of the

conditions in general so first what are

the preferred plant growth conditions in

an ideal situation for your plant you

can usually find this stuff with a quick

google search and if you just type the

plant whatever plant you have type in

its common name you’ll find the

scientific name use the scientific name

to look for more details on its growth

conditions so so let’s say it’s an oak

tree right maybe you have a white oak so

you search white oak and most likely

you’ll get a Wikipedia result you might

get some other results as well and that

will tell you the the scientific name so

for white oak its Quercus Alba and so

then you type in you copy that name type

it into your search bargin Quercus Alba

growing conditions or something like

that you might not even need to type

that you might just type the species

name genus and species the scientific

name and you’ll come up with a bunch of

resources for one where to buy these

plants but more importantly some

resources that tell you the growing

conditions one resource that I really

enjoy especially for those people that

live in the eastern and Midwestern us

throughout the Great Plains states is

the Missouri Botanical Garden website

they have a huge database of plants and

the preferred growing conditions for

these plants so it goes through it tells

you all sorts of things that the plant

likes what types of soil they grow in

what type of light it prefers what type

of moisture conditions and and all sorts

of things all sorts of things like that

that are very helpful and things you

need to know before moving forward so

once you get these preferred plant

conditions now it’s time to look at your

landscape at this

site where your your plant is planted as

well as just your general living area so

for your general living area find out

your USDA hardiness zone so this will

tell you basically how cold your

landscape gets 90% of the time in the

winter and so what’s the lowest

temperature that you get in your climate

this is helpful because if the plant is

unable to survive that condition or it

becomes stress through that the

condition that can be a major problem

what are your existing soil conditions

this is where you need to get into your

specific location of your plant so what

once your soil type if you haven’t had a

soil test done this is a very important

time to do it it’ll it might lead you to

an answer so what’s your soil type

what’s the fertility level of your soil

what’s the pH of your soil how compacted

is your soil and what’s the depth of

your topsoil so how far down until you

hit your kind of your subsoil which is

like your clay or your sand or what have

you

beyond the soil piece

what’s your water availability so what’s

the frequency of watering if you’re

irrigating it for one or what’s the

rainfall frequency what’s the quantity

of water you get throughout the year and

throughout certain seasons if you see

stress during a certain time of year and

what’s the drainage of this specific

site that you’re talking about so does

the site drain well just water pool up

there how often does this happen either

way do you have erosion there that’s

occurring so these are very important

things to consider

what’s the sun exposure how much Sun

does it get what time of year and is Sun

reflecting off of something if it’s you

know by the wall of your house and you

have strong afternoons so I’m hitting

the wall of your house and the plants

right next to it that could be causing

plant stress if the plants not adapted

to that condition or alternatively maybe

you it’s in a shady spot so during a

certain time of year that it can’t have

too much shade what about planting depth

especially for shrubs and trees it’s

very

that the when translated into your

landscape that the plant isn’t placed

too deeply in the landscape where

there’s soil touching part of the the

area that should be the trunk this can

cause some major issues let’s see what’s

next

okay the space for route expansion so

how how much space does do the roots

have to grow this is depth as well as

width are they being crowded by

something maybe it’s a physical

structure like concrete or maybe it’s

some bedrock or you could be talking

about other plants that may be crowding

the roots as well so something to

consider there and wind exposure how

much wind is the plant receiving is it

excessive amounts of wind or maybe that

could cause excessive evaporation or

heat stress or cold stress in the winter

okay so those are a lot of things to

consider but those are all very

important things to diagnose the issues

so before we move on to using some of

this stuff also look around is the plant

growing something growing next to

something that’s a little of Pathak and

what I mean by this this is a term that

means is it growing next to a plant that

secretes chemicals in the soil that

prevent its its ability to thrive so I

have two examples of this actually in

our landscape and where this is is

certainly occurring one is a we have a

type of sunflower that we have planted

in our back yard toward the back I kind

of put it in this you know the corner

where it can just purl if rate and grow

perfuse Lee was my hope and kind of fill

the space and provide some really fun

late summer beauty well it turns out

that I planted this this is it’s a type

of sunflower called a Jerusalem

artichoke or a sunchoke and they I

planted them right underneath these

hackberry trees well it turns out that

these plants do not thrive under the

hackberry trees because the leaves of

the hackberry tree when they draw

in the fall they secrete tannins so kind

of an acidic type of chemical into the

soil and over years they will actually

adjust the soil to where there’s certain

secretions in the soil itself not just

the tannins but other chemicals as well

I can’t remember specifically what the

chemical is from hackberries but it

prevents certain plants from being able

to grow and certainly these sunflowers

so they’ve actually really struggled to

take off and thrive like they’re

supposed to another example is grass

actually so a lot of trees struggle when

they’re planted right in the middle of a

bunch of grass because grass secretes

chemicals that prevent the the ability

of certain trees to grow and it’s a way

for grassland prairies to maintain its

Prairie like space so some examples of

these allelopathy plants so I already

mentioned hackberries grass also common

ones are walnuts or something in the

walnut family like butternut trees and

Oaks as well can even have a little

Pathak product properties even maple

trees can secrete chemicals so it’s just

something to consider what are the

plants growing around your specific

problem plant and again use Google as

your friend your investigator tool to

search if those plants so type in your

plant as well as some of the plants

around it one by one and see if they’re

incompatible okay next what is your

current chemical use so are you using

any chemicals on your site that may

affect your plant the most common

problem here is when people spray their

yard for a seiya a broadleaf treatment

no weed and feed treatment on their lawn

and they’ll spray it right above the

root zone of trees and these a lot of

these weed and feed treatments they kill

any plant that is not a blade type plant

like

grass and so any broadleaf plant like

clover or like dandelion will be killed

by this chemical and likewise your trees

so your trees are considered a broadleaf

plant as well or your shrubs and so if

you’re getting this this chemical to

where it seeps into the roots of your

tree it will cause disease problems and

stress problems in your tree and you

might even kill it this is very common I

see it especially in commercial

landscapes as well where where I see the

the area that should be a kind of a

mulch circle it gets weeds and so a

landscape maintenance people will spray

that area for weeds and it kills the

tree and so if you’re using chemicals

improperly where where they’ll affect

the plant that’s having problems that if

you stop the use of that chemical soon

enough you might get a healthier plant

alright we’ve got tons of information

now we’ve got information about what

makes our plant happy what’s its ideal

situation we’ve got information about

your specific space and we’ve asked a

lot of questions about the habits and

practices that you’ve made in your

landscape that might positively or

negatively in fact affect your plants so

what can we do with all this information

let’s ask a few questions here that

might help drill down into what the

specific issues are the first and most

obvious thing to do is you’ve got all

these existing conditions of your

specific garden location and you’ve got

the the desired conditions of your plant

check and see if there’s a mismatch if

you’re planting a plant that doesn’t

grow in the right pH and in say say you

forgive you this example in previous

episodes as well we have blueberry

plants they prefer pretty acidic

conditions I planted them in our front

garden which is basic by nature so the

bedrock is limestone it provides a

fairly basic clay subsoil and usually

the topsoil is basic as well we planted

it in a space where there were

previously some evergreen bushes and

evergreens tend to acidify soil so I

assumed without doing any soil testing

that the blueberries would thrive there

well as it turns out they’re really

struggling because unfortunately the the

subsoil in our area is so dominantly

basic that it quickly out over influence

the the acidic nature of the previous

evergreen plants so if there’s an

incompatibility like that that the plant

just cannot adapt to that could be your

issue that could be what’s weakening

your plant or causing it to have stress

with growth and that can be very

important similarly if your plant

doesn’t do well in compacted soil

conditions and it requires loose soil

that could it be an indicator as well a

lot of developed areas like your your

subdivisions they as they’re constructed

the soil becomes very compacted and low

in nutrients and so this is a very

common condition with with landscape

plants okay so do that exercise check if

there’s a mismatch between desired and

existing conditions and then ask

yourself can this issue be easily

corrected sometimes it can and and if if

it can’t you’re in luck

it might require ongoing maintenance to

correct but if you really want to save

this planter you really like this plant

for a certain reason it might be worth

the effort even though it might cause

extra work so if that’s the case you’re

in luck or maybe it’s an issue you can

correct without having to provide long

term maintenance which is even more

ideal the next can you fix the soil

health in life sometimes by just

building the soil and like I said

earlier in the episode a lot of times if

you just fix the soil health then you’ll

end up with better plant health for most

plants and so you can do this through

composting and in compost you don’t want

to add too much and you don’t want to

add it in depth you want to add it as a

top dressing to your garden beds usually

small layers at a time

so 1/4 to 1/2 inch at a time if you want

to do more I would suggest mixing it

with topsoil so you’re not overly

concentrating the area with sometimes

some pretty strong conditions and you

might also end up with a lot of leaching

if you add too much so compost mulching

as well is very important it it provides

a more natural basis to your garden beds

if you’re using the right mulches so

you’re allowing ongoing decomposition

some nurturing active soil life you’re

insulating your soil so mulch is very

important and there’s certain nutrients

or additions you can add as well

especially if you get a soil test and

they come back with some recommendations

but again if you’re talking about NPK

levels or whatever just be careful with

using synthesized ones because they’re

highly concentrated they leach out

quickly and they cause they usually

cause too much of a boost at once and

then it’s lost and it causes kind of a

dependency and its own problems as well

so if you’re looking at nutrients

consider more natural options maybe

where things are naturally available in

lower doses that release over time you

can also consider more kind of

concentrated amendments that are liquid

form so two that come to mind that they

aren’t readily available always but you

can check form or make them yourself

the first is Garrett juice so this is a

product that’s promoted by Howard

Garrett of the dirt doctor show down in

Texas and he actually provides a pretty

good amendment that that is really good

at boosting soil life so you can you can

check if you just search for Garrett

juice you’ll find it it’s GA RR e TT I

believe is how you spell his last name

and if you search for that he sells it

as well as you can it gives away the

recipe freely if you want to make it

yourself

similarly compost tea so if you can find

a good healthy compost tea these aren’t

generally very shelf stable because it’s

it’s a product that’s teeming with with

beneficial organisms for your soil but

it can be used as a foliar spray or as a

soil spray and really change things

around quickly so something to consider

they’re more of a organic gardening type

product but they’re very helpful in the

boosting your soil health so something

to consider if that’s what you want to

do other types of amendments you can

consider our green sand so these are

this is a type of clay that’s mined from

old old marine ocean sediment and so

it’s full of a lot of different minerals

a lot of trace minerals it also is good

at absorbing water and retaining it in

your your soil and it also is a

slow-release of I believe it’s potassium

so it’s a good amendment I don’t use any

of these amendments without first

knowing what you’re doing with them so I

recommend you research each of these

kelp as well as uses a good amendment to

boost some of the organic matter that’s

available in your soil you can also use

molasses is kind of a sugar boost to

some of the organisms there if you have

a little bit present already I usually

suggest that in combination with some of

these other amendments and also becoming

a lot more popular as mycorrhizal fungi

so inoculating your soil with these

fungi that are able to grow in tandem

with plants to help boost the plant

health as well as the fungal health with

good healthy fungi so these are just

some examples of amendments we’ll get

into a lot more into amendments in the

future with with more in-depth shows

about it and what each type of amendment

can do and when a certain one is

important and when one’s not but again

overall here I recommend they’re used

more as a a nurturing thing to a tool to

build the health of your landscape so

you don’t have to maintain it and keep

adding stuff in the future so that’s

kind of what these things that’s what

the goal of these things should be so

they’re not just something to kind of

use lackadaisically or or willy-nilly or

whatever the term you want to use is

there they’re used for a specific

purpose and so I suggest you research

what they do before just going out and

using them okay so we’ve talked about

how we can fix our soil health sometimes

unfortunately there’s just a complete

mismatch between the desired plant

conditions and the existing conditions

of your location and if that’s the case

there are a couple things you can do

here

one is you can choose to accept the

disease condition as is if you really

want this plant you want to save it for

some reason and you don’t want to wait

for a new plant to take its place you

may just have to either accept the

condition or replace it with something

you can choose to replace it and or

another option is to find out what you

can do to fix the plant condition

without solving the underlying problem

and this often requires continued

treatment so if you really want the

plant and you may just need to

continually treat it to solve the the

outward problem without fixing what the

core issue is so if you do want to

replace the plant you just you decide to

go with that process that that

corrective action which unfortunately

sometimes you have to do if it’s an

incompatible plant like the the

sunflowers in our backyard

either the sunflowers or the hackberry

trees have to go and most likely it’ll

be the sunflowers because the hackberry

trees they’re 30 years old and I don’t

want to remove a mature tree just for

some sunflowers likewise the blueberries

they’ll probably have to get moved

because they’re not going to thrive in

that can that location unless I continue

to amend the soil every couple season so

when you’re looking for a replacement

plant think about what plant can meet

the aesthetic desire and fit the space

conditions and and again you kind of go

through the same aggressive process so

what are my current conditions and then

you work backward to say to see what

plants are able to grow in that

condition and that’s the the fun piece

where you start

really get to look at some different

options and make a great choice to to

fit your new landscape space so that’s

it for today guys we’re we’re done with

our investigation I hope this is giving

you some direction on what to do with

your plants that are having problems in

your landscape and I really hope it

moves your landscape into a positive

direction where you can you can have the

beauty that you want without taking tons

of time to maintain your landscape and

that’s what it’s all about you guys and

the way we do that is through plant

health and keeping you healthy at the

same time so I hope you enjoyed this

episode and if you’re not really sure

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ecosystems comm slash consulting and

look at the options there I have

available for direct one-on-one

consulting through virtual consultation

and I can help you with your issues you

might be having I can help you with

setting goals for your landscape and how

to save time and we can we can work more

deeply on on how to do that okay now

it’s time to talk about the launch party

guys excuse me not party but partay

the launch party is for the first two

months of the show from March 11th

through May 11th 2018 I want to have

some fun to help spread the word spread

the word about the show I really

appreciate your enthusiasm and interest

in this show and I want to get you guys

involved and have some fun while we’re

doing it so this is a chance to have

some fun too for us to get connected to

win some prizes and let’s talk about the

prizes before we talk about what we’re

doing so

what are the prizes weekly I am offering

a free consultation with me Ben Hale

which is normally a $99 value so one

person each week that gets involved in

the launch partay gets a free

consultation I’m also giving away a free

offer for one of my ebooks ten ways to

get more beauty with less work which is

a $19

next the grand prize there is only one

of these we’re giving away through this

whole launch party so at the end of the

launch partay the organic lawn care

manual by Paul Tookie

so Paul Tookie himself has offered to

give away one free book to a lucky

winner that’s getting involved in this

launch party and this book is all about

how to manage a healthy lawn from

anything from a golf course style lawn

to your low maintenance lawn which of

course is something I prefer here on

this show right I own this book I’ve

read this book multiple times I’ve given

it away it’s a kind of a tattered and

worn version that I have and I use some

of these practices in my own lines so I

love this book and I highly promoted as

well and you’ll hear me talk about it

throughout the show but Paul Tookie has

been kind enough to offer a copy of his

book as a grand prize and there’s also a

special surprise for everybody that’s

going to be getting involved in the

launch partay the rolling river nursery

out of California has offered a special

surprise for everybody that’s involved

the rolling river nursery is a USDA

certified organic nursery so I went

online and I looked around for nurseries

that have online availability ship

through the continental US and have some

great offerings and rolling River

nursery is being kind enough to become

involved with our launch party and

they’re not only are they online

availability but they also are certified

organic which means they don’t use any

harmful herbicides or pesticides that

you have to be concerned with your

family about and so what you’re getting

is a safe and healthy plant they also

offer a ton of edible plants and trees

and shrubs cacti and succulents so they

offer several trees and shrubs that are

adaptable throughout the most of the

United States so Deb

worth checking them out and in addition

these guys are also involved with a

non-profit in Southern California to

help local food movements called

planting justice org so if you want to

learn more about them you can go to

rolling River nursery comm and I also

want to give a shout out to Paul to Kies

website for his organic lawn care manual

and his other works is Paul to keep calm

PA UL t uke Y and to sum up guys okay

you want to learn how to get involved

with this launch party go over to

aesthetic ecosystems comm slash pod

launch and that’s P o dl au n CH there’s

a link in the show notes and that’s

that’s gonna give you all the

instructions on how to get involved

there’s two ways specifically to get

involved one is through sharing with

your peeps on Facebook and the other is

through leaving a review on iTunes

both of these are gonna help spread the

word about the show and get other people

other friends listening to it as well

and I sure appreciate your help here and

likewise this is gonna be a fun time so

so gone over and to aesthetic ecosystems

comm slash pod launch to get involved

check out the show notes for any links I

mentioned today we’ve talked about

saving 27 hours in your landscape and

I’ll try and leave a link there as well

to Missouri Botanical Garden that I

mentioned earlier and before you head

out I see I want you to head on over to

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people through this podcast and make a

positive difference and everybody’s

lives that’s listening

and before you go I just want to say

thanks for tuning in and make sure you

live with passion you make tomorrow

better than today

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